Miracle of a Product guided by the Heavens!

Dear Richard,

  I cannot even begin to tell you what a miracle I feel has happened in our home thanks to the Q96 that you introduced me to through Daryl Hughes.
Our son is 28 years old and lives with us. He has had problems with depression for many years. He has always seemed to have very low self image and problems mixing with other people. About a year and a half ago he started taking drugs and it took him on a downward path that was pretty terrifying for me. He got to the point that he was always stoned. Somehow he would manage to get up and go to his job and put in his day of work without talking to a soul there and then start smoking his drugs as soon as he got home. The drugs made him very emotional but usually in a sad way. Finally he began to speak about hearing voices in his head telling him to do bad things, like rape women, etc.  He had stopped believing in God several years ago and so I could not appeal to the spiritual side of him and try to get him to pray for help.  But believe me, I was praying my heart out. Fortunately I was on the telephone when you took the sample to Daryl or I might not have heard about the product so soon.

Michigan had finally gone to a doctor for help and was diagnosed as bi-polar, manic-depressive (I am not sure what the difference is) and the doctor wrote him a prescription for lithium. That really terrified me because I know the bad side effects associated with that medication.  He was supposed to stop taking his illegal drugs for a few days before starting on the lithium and that is the point at which we received the Q96. I don't know what would have happened if he had already been taking the lithium, and hopefully I will never find out.

He started taking the Q96 on Friday afternoon and the change in him has been amazing. I honestly did not expect such powerful and instant results, but the timing was just perfect. He is a new man. I overheard him talking to his only friend on the phone today and mentioned how great it was that he was able to have normal conversations with people at work and he liked it. He has not even been tempted to smoke any of the other stuff.  I have also been taking the Qssentials and when I mentioned that I felt like I was finally "firing all cylinders" he jumped into the conversation and said "Yeah me too. At work I was always nervous that I wasn't doing my job well (graphic designer) but now I feel confidant about it and I just feel happy".

I am so thankful that we got ahold of these products at this time. I hope to start my 32 year old daughter on them when she comes home this weekend. She has suffered with horrible depression since she was 14 years old. It even prevented her from getting married because she was afraid of inflicting her depression on her children. She is so gifted mentally that I just always assumed her depression was because she didn't feel like she fit in. I will let you know if I can help her to take this. (So far, she has never swallowed a pill in her life, so I'll have to come up with an alternative approach. Do you have any ideas about that?)

Thanks again for sharing this with us, you have truly changed our lives.

Sincerely,
Kathy S.

The afternoon with Money

Today I was working in the yard getting caught up with my to do list and my phone showed a text from Austin the son I call Money.  " we should go fishing Dad"  yes we should.  There are two things I love doing with my boys, watching them play Ball ( sadly those days are over) and fishing.  We headed up AF canyon and hit Tibble Fork.  There we fished for a couple of hours together and caught a few fish.  Sometimes it's the simple things in life that make all the difference!

Moving Forward helping Kids!

Thought you'd get a kick from this email from the school counselor at Walden Charter School (K-12), Amy Roan.  Amy said that if I had come to visit her 3 days after our phone call

 ,

 she would have had to tell me that the school administrator said "NO, we can't promote anything of a commercial venture." 

(Beats me, as every school I know has kids selling cookie dough or gift wrap. I told her I think we could make a school profit center out of a new IBO in Walden's PTA's name.) 

 Two days later, after two desperate parents

 had hit her up for help with their ADHD afflicted kids

, and the scientific abstracts were in Amy's hand

 s

, Lois

 changed to allowing us to

 

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put fliers on the community bulletin board and table right by the front door

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 and that Amy could "mention" that there "might be" some useful information for parents of struggling students.

But it gets better. T

 his is today's email

 from the Walden School head counselor. . 

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The camel has gone from his nose in the tent flap  to his entire chest.  I predict we'll be doing an assembly before the end of school.  :)

Blessed - Yes we are

Talked with a woman today who was almost in tears after I told her about Q96. I have been so wrapped up in "Taking Care of Me" that I have not shared with EVERY single person... today, I shared with the exact right one.. The parents were about ready to take their son to UCLA to find a solution to his dis-ease!!! I get to talk with them tomorrow... THERE IS HOPE... this SUPPLEMENT is a great option! Thank you Q Sciences Corporate for this opportunity!!

Love to Help - Q it UP!

Dear Daren,

Thank you for taking time to be on the call this morning.  It was a gift for everyone to meet you, hear your story and be inspired about what we have here!

We give thanks everyday for the blessing that you have brought into our lives and the lives of so many that are being touched by Q Sciences.

Happy Day!

with love,

Robin

PS  A huge thank you to Steve W. for the introduction!

Q for the Ages! Yep, even if you are a little older Q Helps!

Rodger, this is a good product for me.  When I first started taking the product I used it for a week and noticed a measurable change in more circulation in my legs and less or no aching.  However I also felt a bit queasy from possibly a systems cleansing.  So, I started using one portion of a packet each day for a week and returned to feeling better.  After a couple of weeks I have returned to using a whole packet a day and have not felt queasy and have received the full benefit from the whole packet which allowed me to stop using my prescription pain medication except in cases of severe pain.

 

 This product is also helping to keep my mind clear as well as improving my short term memory. 

I thank you for giving me the product to try out, it has made a definite improvement in my life.  

 

 I hope all is well with your family and that we might be able to get together again in the future when the weather improves.

Tell your family I love them, and love to you all,

Papa Gary 

Women Making the difference!!! Women in the Q

So Proud of Mavis and Gloria - Gold and Silver in a few short weeks.

Wow Q is growing one person at a time.

Nice Job Ladies!  You are the reason I am in Q!

For Mothers Everywhere! That is why Q is Here

A Testimony from a Mother 

Now that I have stopped taking my anti-depressants and they are out of my system (cold turkey is NOT the way to stop, withdrawal was bad), Q96 has helped me realize and acknowledge (admit) some issues that I have NEVER admitted to anyone or myself. Yes I have OCD and yes I have severe anxiety issues and yes I have depression.
It took a discussion with my husband about one of my sons who I said has OCD and he said "Just like his Mom". My reaction was "What are you talking about, I don't have OCD" He said "Yes you do and anxiety issues, think about it. Its not bad, its what makes you you"
So I thought about it and he was right, I do have OCD and anxiety issues which all lead to my depression. AND I DIDN'T CRY, I am okay and I feel better now that I am accepting it.
I have admitted/accepted it and I am admitting to you which is a huge step for me.
I have OCD and I have severe anxiety issues, I have Q96 and its helping me live my life.

A Mom starting to live again

Honored to Receive this from Joe - The first person to Use Q96 - 16 years ago!

Dear Daren,

This weekend was awesome! I had such a good time and everyone was in such good spirits. Thank you for all your doing with this mission.  I was always overcome by fear and could not even stand in front of a crowd  of people, let alone speak to them. Things have been changing so fast, and I know now that this is it. The time for me to standup and tell my story has come, and i'm so grateful that men like you are part of this. Thank you for helping to blast this to the world, I know I won't stop.

I can only assume that you or jimmy paid for dinner, Thanks. That was a lot of fun hanging out, I look forward to seeing you at future super saturday's.

Peace to you and yours

Joe

Q On the Radio!! Dennis and Tony!

Hey Daren, here is a blog I did with the link to it. Hope you enjoy! Dennis http://getrighttoday.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/tragically-triumphant-the-story-of-q96-2/

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Q 96 - Empowerplus The Quintessential Product

Q96®

Q Sciences Q96®   is a micronutrient formula developed by Anthony F. Stephan and David L. Hardy. It is designed to promote mental well-being in those suffering from various mood disorders, by providing a broad-based balanced supply of micronutrients needed for healthy brain function and development.

As a result of serious bipolar disorder, Anthony Stephan’s wife, Debbie, committed suicide in 1994. Two of their children, Autumn and Joseph, were diagnosed with the same illness. Anthony, in desperation, sought help from every possible source and, after two years of diligent prayer, made a break-through discovery. Using

the Q 96 micronutrient formulation, Autumn and Joseph have been well without medication since 1996. Now, Q Sciences Q 96® has gone on to

benefit tens of thousands of people in over sixty countries.

Q96® has been examined in a variety of human conditions, such as bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder, anxiety disorders, ADHD, OCD and autism. Q96®   holds the distinction of being the most researched micronutrient formula of its kind in the world.

Twenty published studies demonstrating effectiveness, have led to several on-going double-blind placebo controlled clinical trials. In all, thirty-nine researchers and fourteen universities from four countries have participated in the research studies. All research is conducted independently with no funding from Q Sciences.

In addition, a laboratory study conducted through the Canadian Centre for Behavioural Neuroscience demonstrated that rats, fed the Q96® mixture, showed accelerated microscopic and functional recovery following experimentally- induced brain lesions. These findings demonstrate the value of broad-based micronutrients in enhancing neuronal recovery following brain injury.

The unique formulation of Q96®, based on specialized technological advances in micronutrient delivery allows the body to rapidly absorb and utilize these essential nutrients for optimum physical and mental health

Proof - all signs point to Q!

STATISTICS ACCORDING TO THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION

·       One hundred and twenty one million people suffer from depression.

·       Less than 25% of those individuals have access to medicine for relief

·       In the United Stated an estimate of 14.8 to 19 million suffer from some kind of clinical depression.

·       In the past, five to six percent of the U.S. population had some kind of serious mood disorder

·       Today the estimate is 26.2%, or approximately 58 million people in this country suffer from mood disorders

·       Woman  have more cause for depression than men

·       65 year olds commit suicide at a higher rate than ever before

·       Addiction problems begin with people who suffer from some type of depression

·       Men are more likely to be addicts than women

·       Drinking is a symptom of depression

·       90% of suicides have a diagnosable mental condition

Really, what this all boils down to is that there is chemicals lacking in the brain. It is a fact that the stress and issues with the brain just do not get better or go away. They continue to get worse over time, if they are not addressed.

I just want to remind everyone that it is not your fault that you do not have a weakness. It is a lack of minerals in the brain.

Depression is a feeling of sadness “blue,” miserable, angry. Stress continues to work on chemicals of the brain, causing it to accelerate. Ninety-nine percent of people, at some point, feel this way. They feel agitated, difficulty concentrating, lack of energy and trouble sleeping.

·       2.5 million websites talk about post-partum depression. 

·       73 million websites talk about mood disorder vs. 63 million that talk about diets

Conclusion: People just want to feel better.

Daren Hogge

Never gets Old!

From My Dentist friend

Q96, what an amazing product! 3 years ago I suffered a major mental breakdown, between the stresses of work as a Dentist, and the crash of the real estate market, i needed help. I sought counseling which helped tremendously but also needed traditional antidepressants to help. I was always looking for an alternative that would help stabilize the stresses I felt but without the cloud that always hung over me. A few months ago I was introduced to the Q96 product and noticed immediate results, I am currently decreasing the dosages of my current meds and feel fantastic. I am working on eliminating them from my life forever. I am a believer! -Corbin,DDS

and his wife:

Free from prozac after 4 years? It is a amazing to feel like me again. I was extremely nervous to try Q 96 and taper off the antidepressant. It was a lot easier than I anticipated and it feels so good to be alive! I feel brighter and sharper! I am excited about mornings and Mondays! Thank you Q 96 for helping lift the fog and see the light! -Me

We are on to something guys.  The world needs this! 

Receiving more and more each day! This is why we established Q Sciences!

Hey Ken,  

I hope things are going well for you while you have been here. My daughter started her pills this last week, thanks to you!!

Let me tell you, my husband the skeptic said to me, "how come Amelia is doing better this week"? He is happy about the change. She 

has a long way to go, but she is not quite so cranky and angry. Yesterday, she asked me if she could eat more. I of course thought that was wonderful. 

I won't mention to her that this is an improvement yet. But, I can see it. I am so hoping this continues! 

Thanks so much. I can't tell you how happy that makes me. 

Margaret

Another Vendor - Another Believer in Our Products! Are you in the Q?

Thank you for your time last week. I look forward to meeting with QSciences today. BTW the product is working great for me. 

Ryan S.

Director of Sales

Unbelievable? Believe it with Q Sciences!

DISCLAIMER:

My story has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.  My words are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

(phew! Now that that’s out of the way, on with the show…)

LIFE IS GOOD…

When I was in my thirties, life was good. I was healthy, I was lean, I was fit, I ran marathons (2 in 1982 in the month of May), and I had money. In 1986, I met a girl, and fell in love. After dating for a year or so, we moved in together and vowed we would love, cherish, honour, respect each other, and also consciously help each other grow ‘spiritually’.  As our relationship blossomed, Hien, that’s my wife (she was from Vietnam), told me all about herself. Among other things, she told me she had a degree in sociology from the University of Taiwan. That was not true. I later found out from her brother that she had two degrees from the University of Taiwan. She also told me she worked for the United Nations for a while. That was true. What she didn’t tell me though,  was that she worked for the United Nations High Commissioner For Refugees and that her and 2 other ladies were awarded the ‘Nobel Peace Prize’ in 1981. I found that out when I was rummaging through some boxes in the basement one day, and while moving some stuff around, lo and behold, I found a framed copy of the ‘prize’, crammed there, under the stairs, gathering dust.

That day I realized Hien was a great gift that had been bestowed upon me. She was beautiful, she was extremely intelligent, she was fun to be with, and she was selfless. I didn’t love Hien, I adored her. In 1988, Hien gave birth to our son Joshua, and that day we vowed that we would love him, cherish him, honour him, respect him, and consciously help him grow ‘spiritually’. We did.

LIFE GETS LESS GOOD…

In 1997 I was dealt two serious ‘uppercuts’. On June 13^th, my beloved Hien died of breast cancer. Then, in November, five months later, my father passed away. A few weeks later a friend drove me to the hospital because I felt I was having a heart attack. I remember being wheeled down this corridor thinking to myself “I’m gonna die”.  I was wrong.  After being examined, I was told I didn’t suffer a heart attack and I could go home. Curious, I asked the doctor what was wrong with me and he said he didn’t know – “Could be a number of things, have you been under stress lately?”. That was an understatement.  I told him about my wife and my dad passing away, that  I was raising my son by myself, and working full-time. He patted me on the shoulder, prescribed some ‘Ativan’ and my descent to hell began.

The next 10 years were, to say the least, challenging. What began as an innocent, seemingly harmless little ritual, of placing a tiny little pill under my tongue every morning, slowly increasing this to two, sometimes three little pills a day, led to two very serious problems. One, I became very addicted, not to mention, immune to the stuff, and two, my doctor told me that he couldn’t prescribe anymore because he was being investigated by the powers-that-be for over-prescribing the ‘crap’. I panicked.

LIFE GOES LIFELESS…

I’m a writer. Writing is not only what I do, it’s who I am. In 2007 I was working as a copywriter for a communications company, writing press releases for publically traded companies in the mining and oil industry. Part of my job required that I spend time chatting on the phone with clients, Presidents and CEOs of companies. It was a good job, I liked it. It was close to home, the people were nice and even though I was under a lot of stress, I managed. ‘Ativan’, my ‘consort’, my ‘chemical wife’, made sure of that. In retrospect, my relationship with ‘Ativan’ was like being married to a nymphomaniac, you know,  sneaking off two or three times a day to have meaningless sex, depleting my vital lifeforce without noticing it because I was  slowly becoming a lifeless zombie.

Then on a cold morning in March, I went for a walk with a colleague of mine during our morning coffee break. We’d been doing this every morning and afternoon for a couple of years now and it was something we looked forward to. We were close friends.  At one point during our walk, I lost my balance. It felt like someone was pushing me to the side while I walked. My friend noticed this, and asked if I was alright. I said I was. The same thing happened when I walked home from work. Over the next week it got worse and I became worried. I popped more Ativan, hoping it would go away but it didn’t. What to do?

Every day I dragged myself to work and did my best. Things went from bad to worse and one day, while I was going over this article I’d written with one of our clients, I became so confused that I hung up on him. I remember sitting in my office, wondering if he was going to call back. A call came through, so I picked up the phone and before he could finish his sentence, which went something like “I think we got cut o..”, I hung up, again.  The next call was from my boss, and before day’s end, I was terminated. I cleaned my office, went home, curled up on the sofa and drifted into the bizarre.

WELCOME TO HELL…

The next four months were hellish.  Although my mind was numb, I felt pain… lots of physical pain. I remember the warm sunny days, the warm breeze wafting through the screen door, the smell of the trees and flowers luring me, mother nature desperately trying to pull me out of this nightmare I was living. Nothing… I felt nothing! I was in another world now, another dimension; and I’d better get used to it.

One day I sat down and wrote a poem entitled: “The Breeze That Lives All Things”. To this day I cannot explain why or how I did it. Actually, in two weeks, amid the physical pain and the zombie-like meaninglessness state I was in, I wrote fifty-two poems, which would later became a book of transcendental poetry entitled – “Diary of A Pen Warrior”-

While I was writing and vegetating, I noticed that I was also becoming somewhat of a hypochondriac. As a result I underwent an endoscopy, a colonoscopy, had every possible blood test done, including blood-cholesterol, blood-sugar, and a urine analysis. I had every organ in my body checked, using very sophisticated ‘ultrasound’ equipment. I had my ears, nose & throat checked. Nothing! …They found nothing except I had a bit of high blood pressure.

One day I called my brother Rick and when he asked me how I was, I lost it. I broke down, crying and screaming uncontrollably. Keep in mind that he knew nothing of this. My son knew nothing of this. I didn’t want anyone to know. The next day, being the wonderful brother that he is, he flew out to take care of me for a few days. Everyone should have a brother like my brother Ricky. I have another brother, Gerry, but I’ll get to him later.

After that breakdown, I related the event to my physician, and that’s when he suggested I see a psychiatrist.

COCKTAIL HOUR…

Here, I’ll be brief. Within minutes of seeing me, my psychiatrist said: “Mr. Gildart, you’re suffering from Major Clinical Depression”. A year or so later I was sent to The University of British Columbia’s Mood Disorder Clinic, and there, I was diagnosed with Bipolar II disorder. A while after that I became manic and depressed very quickly so I was sent back to the mood disorder clinic and re-assessed. Now, I was told I was suffering from Bipolar type 1 with rapid cycling. What to do?

Here’s what I did. Over the next 16 years, I swallowed  anywhere from 1 to 14 pills a day. It all began innocently on that fateful evening in early December 1997, when I slipped a tiny Ativan pill under my tongue. Eventually I was introduced to Ativan’s sisters, Lithium, Paxil, Divalproex (Epivol), Welbutrin, Clonazopam, to name a few.  Like a kid on a first date, I fell under their spell. Why, you ask? I did it in this vain attempt to quell the effects of these horrifying disorders. I’ve always considered myself a pretty capable person, but damn if I could break this spell I was under. So here I was stuck in this hell, afraid to go outside, afraid of loud noises and bright lights, afraid to breathe, my friends stopped calling, and on and on… Not funny.

Not only was I sick, but now I was also stuck with all the side effects of these horrid medications – Nausea, shaking violently, headaches, weight gain (over 100 lbs.), lack of sleep, heart palpitations, constipation, diarrhea, and on and on… Definitely not funny.

GERRY, HOLLY & Q96 TO THE RESCUE…

In January of this year, my brother Gerry called. He told me he had joined this network marketing company that was selling an assortment of coffees with ‘Ganoderma Lucidum’, better known as ‘Reishi mushroom’, in them. He was very excited because he felt that maybe, just maybe, this coffee could be good for me, since the reishi mushroom is touted as being an excellent food to ‘ease the mind’. Anyway at one point in the conversation he asked me if I would be well enough to get involved with this company. In my excitement I said yes, so he went ahead and signed me up, paid for my product ($400 +) and off we went. Not long into the venture, I noticed  that when I talked to people about the opportunity, or got the least bit excited, this would trigger a manic episode in my brain. I remember feeling guilty, ashamed, and afraid to tell Gerry about this.

Then one day Gerry phoned me, and told me he’d just gotten off the phone with someone he had met at a convention in Las Vegas, a lady by the name of Holly Walen. Apparently, she was a ‘networker’ and he’d simply touched base with her to tell her about his new venture. That’s when she told him about this product she was involved with called Q96. He suggested I should get in touch with her and find out more. I did.

The moment I met Holly, I liked her. I could tell she was passionate about Q96, and I was desperate. To make a long story short, I told her I wanted some but I couldn’t get any until the end of the month because I was broke. Right away she said she’d send me a bottle and I said she didn’t have to do that, I could wait until the end of the month, but she insisted. I thanked her from the bottom of my heart and added that I would send her the money as soon as I received my disability check. She said not to worry, that I should buy an extra bottle if I wanted to, and give it to someone who needed it, “pay it forward” as she put it. I did. Thank you Holly for your kind generosity, you saved my life.

While I was waiting for my product, Holly and I kept in touch. I googled Q96 and found a wealth of information which I passed on to Gerry. One day Holly messaged me and asked how I was. “Not so good”, I replied, and she wrote: “I sent the bottle, help is on the way”… I remember pacing the floor shortly after that, whispering to myself: “help is on the way… help is on the way… help is on the way”, then I lost it and wept like Niagara Falls.

Meanwhile, Gerry was doing his own research and the more he read, the more he got excited. I told him the product was on the way and that I had positioned myself in Holly’s network (it was free to register at the time). So, without hesitation, Gerry signed up under me. Here’s what’s funny. After spending close to $2200.00 on coffee, my brother tells me this: “You know Ronnie, after reading, and listening, and watching all these videos on Autumn and Tony Stephan, I never realized how sick you are…and you wanna know what else? I’m finding it hard to do the coffee business. It’s like I’m so drawn to these people and to this product. I know I can help a lot of people with this.” In that moment I realized two things. One, my brother loves me, and two, he’s genuinely interested in my wellbeing. This meant the world to me.

On January 23^rd, at 12:46pm PST, I swallowed 2 capsules of Q96. On January 25^th, I get a package delivered to my door. It’s Autumn Stringam’s book ‘A Promise of Hope,’ another gift from Gerry. I read it in two sittings, couldn’t put it down.  Autumn, Tony & family, I’m so sorry for your loss. Tony, know today that your wife didn’t die in vain. I’m sure that she’s looking down on you and saying: “good work Tony, good work…”

Here are a few miracles that happened to me since I started using this amazing formula.

• Not afraid to go to the grocery store because fluorescent lighting confuses me.
• Not afraid to go for a walk because I feel like I won’t be able to make my way back.
• Not afraid to take a shower because I feel like I’m going to fall every time I hear running water.
• Not afraid to go to bed because I know I won’t be able to fall asleep. I SLEEP LIKE A BABY! For those of you who have a hard time getting to sleep, you understand why I write this in CAPS.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture. Oh, one last thing. A couple of weeks ago I noticed a lot of anger welling up in me. I mean extreme anger! So much anger in fact that I phoned Micronutrients to ask if that was normal. For those of you who don’t know who Micronutrients is, they’re the company that amassed all the data on people using this product over the last fourteen years. Anyway, I told the girl about all this anger, and she said: “don’t worry Mr. Gildart, you’re just getting your feelings back.” I was floored! She then asked what meds I was on, and made some recommendations, which I followed  to the letter. After I hung up I said out loud: “I’M GETTING MY FEELINGS BACK!” I wept, again. Feeling anger never felt so good.

HELP IS ON THE WAY!

Today is Friday, March 15^th, 2013. It’s a grey day outside, but this is Vancouver, and our winters are wet and grey. I went for a walk earlier, and whistled a tune as I walked. I made a mental note of this because this is a first in a long, long time.

Sixteen days ago, on February 27^th, I took my last hit of Clonazopam. I’ve been med-free since. Am I firing on all cylinders? I’d be lying to you if I said yes. Nevertheless, I can tell you this. After a month and 3 weeks, I no longer suffer from Major Clinical Depression. I no longer suffer from Bipolar 1 with rapid cycling. IT’S OVER!

I am suffering though, with severe withdrawals  from prescribed medications. It comes in waves, big and small. Nobody said it was going to be easy. Was Q96 a cure? No. Q96 simply feeds my body and my brain. This is what Q96 does best.

I can’t wait to share this product with more people. I can’t wait to play the “I don’t know’ game. The ‘I don’t know game?’ you ask – What’s that? – Simple. Here let’s give it a try… “So Ron, can Q96 cure my son of ADHD?” – “Well Bill, I don’t know, all I know is this. I used to suffer from major clinical depression and bipolar  disorder , type 1, with rapid cycling, took anywhere from 1 to 14 pills a day for 16 years, and now I’m not taking any meds and I feel fine. The only thing I did and do now is take Q96, so you do the math… And you know what Bill? If you feed your body and brain Q96, I know you’re going to  benefit and love this stuff!” (Silence… the first one to talk loses)